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I love this man.

Yes, we can did.

I'd been doing well with the no-TV thing, but last night I couldn't help watching history in the making, so I did break my evening TV fast and watch CNN as it all unfolded. I seriously want to marry Barack and have all his babies. His speech last night was PERFECT. Incredible.

I have to say I am beyond disappointed with Hillary Clinton. To put it bluntly, she was a RAVING BITCH last night. She had the perfect opportunity to step back and start uniting the party and she did just the opposite. She made yesterday all about her, and what should've been an important day *in history* wound up just being an important day. She should have conceded. She should've been more gracious. Just when I was starting to not hate her, she goes and pulls such an asshole move.

Oooh, perfect opportunity to use yesterday's word-of-the-day: Hillary Clinton is a splenetic bitch. :)

I'm am fucking terrified about the general election at this point. How can anyone support McCain? Are there people out there who still like George Bush? I didn't think so, and since McCain is essentially the same person, I don't understand how anyone could be supporting him. Don't people want change? (If you support McCain or George Bush, no offense... I just don't agree and don't understand.)

I feel like the "dream ticket" of Obama-Clinton would make me feel a lot more comfortable in the general election. I think winning over Clinton supporters is going to be the biggest challenege. There are so many "democrats" out there who would vote for Hillary and then out of spite just not vote or vote for McCain and I just don't understand. They're both excellent candidates and really not all that different in their policies. I mean really the only difference is that Hillary Clinton is a raving bitch with a husband she can't control. Just kidding. Not really. Oh, I'm just so mad and so conflicted!!! I would feel so much more confident about November if they were on a ticket together, but I really feel like it's a step back for Obama and that he'll kind of lose some integrity if he adds her. I think he's in that position for a lot of the VP candidates they're suggesting. So many of them are just going to look like politicking. I dunno, it's too stressful so I'll leave that up to the experts. I just hope that Hillary, VP or no VP, stops being a huge baby and does what's best for the party and brings her supporters on board to help put a democrat back in the White House.

Okay, time to get off the soap box and get to work. I meant to post this all last night but my interwebs were broken, which means I got little to nothing accomplished! Gah. Later, skaterz.

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athena2483
Jun. 4th, 2008 03:19 pm (UTC)
I will admit that I am a little torn. My political views are definitely on the whole conservative, but I can see that Obama could do amazing things for this country. There is 0% chance of me voting for him though if Hillary is his VP. Fuck no.
wolfsavard
Jun. 4th, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)
I will be surprised if he actually does it. I feel like Hillary is going to try to force him to though...
stargazr324
Jun. 4th, 2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
Actually, I do still like Bush, and I support McCain, but I don't think they're alike. I think McCain is far too liberal.

I don't agree with their stand on every issue, just as I don't disagree with Obama or Clinton on everything. I appreciate different aspects of all of the candidates. However, I agree with McCain on the issues that I think are more important.

I try to avoid discussing politics (except with some people who share similar views) because I think we're all adults and are all capable of making our own decisions, and we all have our own priorities. And I respect our differences. And quite frankly nothing anyone says is going to make me support a different candidate, and I'm sure you feel the same way, and too often political differences can cause personal attacks and hurt feelings.

Although I will say I agree with you about Hillary. I couldn't believe she didn't concede last night.

(And I hope it didn't come across that I was criticizing your post -- I appreciate hearing/reading other opinions, I just prefer to not get into a debate over politics, so I'm not going to even try to explain why I like Bush and McCain.)
goodtoast
Jun. 4th, 2008 04:21 pm (UTC)
I just have to butt in for a moment to say how much I love your icon. Humor is ALWAYS needed in politics. If we can't make fun of each other and take it, our country would not work : )
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goodtoast
Jun. 4th, 2008 04:16 pm (UTC)
I can't stop smiling and I'm totally not wearing red, white and blue today with my Obama button. Nope.

Hillary WAS a bitch last night. I got home about five minutes into her speech, and what? I don't think it was a bad speech, but it was certainly inappropriate. Yes, I understand that she was speaking underground, so she wouldn't have heard he won, but STILL. Having your speech underground was also a bitchy thing to do.

I'm a little wary of having both of them on the same ticket because a)I don't like Hillary. I've tried to like her for almost two years now (yikes, that was a long campaign!), and it just hasn't happened. b)I'm still not entirely convinced that she would help balance it. She would help keep Hillary devotees, but I know far too many independents who would rather vote for McCain than her. (which is a whole other issue, I know) And c)There's so many other democrats who would make GREAT Veeps. Bill Richardson, I think, would be fantastic, and he could help get the hispanic vote Obama has been missing. Jim Webb would be good, if a little young. Joe Biden (hahahahaha, never going to happen), would be my dream. So, I dunno.

My vote certainly won't change either way, but I don't want Obama to mess up a good thing :)
wolfsavard
Jun. 4th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)
I don't want him to mess up a good thing either. It's going to be a challenging road to November that's for sure, no matter who the Veep is.
pocky_slash
Jun. 4th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
I felt the same way during her speech. My mom and I were listening to it in the car and we were like, "...but she LOST... what the hell is she talking about?"

I have to disagree about VP, however. I feel like, by November, most of the Hillary supporters will vote for Obama whether they like it or not. That's what happened with the Dean supporters last time. When they're more rational and the loss is further behind them, they'll do the right thing, just like I forced myself to do last election. Hillary would be a TERRIBLE VP choice, I think. He needs an old White Guy with military and/or foreign policy experience. I am SO hoping that it ends up being Wesley Clark, but any guy who fits that will do. Especially if Hillary actually wants to DO the things she's been talking about doing. She'd be much more effective in the cabinet than as the VP.
wolfsavard
Jun. 4th, 2008 05:44 pm (UTC)
I really hope your right. I don't want him to compromise anything and choose a VP just because he's gunning for electoral votes (ie Ted Strickland). I'm so anxious to see how this will turn out.
banquier
Jun. 4th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
I feel so ashamed of myself that I haven't been keeping up with the election or the candidates. I think I'm going to do that now, like read up on them.
wolfsavard
Jun. 4th, 2008 05:44 pm (UTC)
I had to stop for awhile because I got kind of burnt out on the whole mess, but I think last night sucked me back in...
courtknee
Jun. 4th, 2008 07:15 pm (UTC)
I think Hillary would be a great VP, and quit calling her a bitch - or do we LOVE living in the 1950s when no woman could ever be president LOLOLOLOLOL GET IN THE KITCHEN HAHAHAHA. That is exactly what that word implies. Way to go for equality, huh? I'm sure.

also I WANT JOHN BACK WHO THE FUCK CARES SUCK A DICK AHHHHHH
wolfsavard
Jun. 4th, 2008 07:30 pm (UTC)
I'm not saying I'm sure she wouldn't make a great VP. I'm just not sure she's right for Obama. She's a great candidate, but her move last night was totally bitchy. She's saying she wants what's best for the party, but her actions don't match up. She talked last night about all the little girls who realize who can be whatever they want to be when they grow up now and all the old ladies who remember what it was like when women weren't allowed to vote. What about all the African Americans? She took that day away from them. It was an important day in history for both of them, but she made it all about her even though she LOST.

I would've been equally disappointed in Barack if the tables had been turned and Hillary was the one surpassing the needed delegates. I would've expected him to be a gracious loser, step down, concede, and do what's best for the party and the country.

Hillary is an incredible woman who has accomplished a lot, and all the wonderful things Barack said about her last night are completely true, but last night she was a selfish bitch.
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agronsky
Jun. 4th, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC)
First of all, I love you, but you seriously tend to piss me off, a lot with the bashing of other candidates, I don't particularly have anything against Obama, but having him rammed down my throat for the last half year is grating on that last nerve. Also, Bill was a very good President, perhaps you were too young to remember that, kinda sick of what he did or didn't do with his penis being all that gets yammered on about anymore. It's also a lot to swallow having you constantly refer to Hilary as a "bitch", it's a derogatory thing to keep repeating, she's a strong opinionated woman, so that equates "bitch"? Seriously? It's offensive, moreso when said by another woman. He won the nom, good for him, you're pleased about it, and that's awesome, a little tact for those with an opposing view point would be nice. I've been building up this pissed off at your posts for quite some time, I had hoped you would be graceful about the win and enjoy it respectfully, really disappointed right now. No one likes a sore loser, but a gloating winner is just as disdainful.
wolfsavard
Jun. 4th, 2008 07:51 pm (UTC)
I'm not gloating about the win, I'm disappointed that Hillary did not do what was best for the party last night. She's not a bitch because she's a strong opinionated woman, she's a bitch because last night she was a sore loser and pulled a spiteful and selfish move by not conceding. If the tables had been turned and it was Obama who was losing last night, I'd have expected him to graciously concede and do what was best for the party, too. And I'd have probably called it a dick move on his part if he hadn't.

I'm really sorry if I've offended you, because you know I love you, and upsetting you (or anyone else) was obviously not my intention. I don't mean to shove my love for Obama down anyone's throat, and I don't think I necessarily have. I've also done very little bashing of the other candidates (aside from the time that Hillary spammed my mailbox for a week straight with her literature). Also, I've got nothing against Bill Clinton... he was an excellent president (and I am old enough to remember) and I'd have gladly taken him over Bush or Kerry or Gore for the last 8 years. I don't think he's done anything to help his wife's campaign though and I think most of the experts agree on that.

Like I just told courtknee, Hillary has been an incredible public servant and what she's accomplished in this election is historical, but she didn't do the right thing last night. Could I have used a better word than "bitch"? Yeah, maybe. I don't apologize for the negative connotations of the word, but I do apologize for the misogynistic connotations. We all probably need to think about our language more when it comes to those kind of words.
athena2483
Jun. 5th, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC)
People need to stop telling others what to write in their own journal. Nobody's making you read it. Chill out and don't attack someone for having opinions. And I hate the silly feminist anger that comes up with calling a woman a bitch. The word doesn't matter and you know it. People like you give power to something as ridiculous as a word. Get over it - you're actually setting the women's rights movement back by bitching about stuff like that.
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falsemurmur
Jun. 4th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
Whoa, some debate going on around here (couldn't help but notice) & I'm going to say this first--I do not like it when curse words are given such strong connotations, that people are offended. As a female, the word bitch has never offended me b/c more or less I understand that it's simply a word, & hell, my best friend & I refer to each other as bitches for life! Rarely do I see ppl actually offended by it,and when they are, it doesn't make sense to take it so seriously when we could be more mature about how we digest it (but then some will say we should be more mature in using it...). Personally, the word bitch simply implies someone is only sticking to their side w/out taking in the whole b/c of stubborness--and geez, who hasn't had moments like that? Everyone's a bitch once in a while, so it's illogical to be offended by it *shrugs*

Second of all, I love Obama, but if he were in the same position as Ms. Clinton (heave forbid, he), would we want his opposition to be saying 'get the eff out'? Which is why I have restrained from saying it about Hillary. However, you made a good point by saying she should've been about uniting the party w/her speech, and yes she's only dividing the party by furthering her objective.

Nonetheless, this is a huge victory, & I continue to believe Obama is the change we need, and as long as we continue to support him, this change is more than possible! Ugh, this comment of mine is a tad too serious for my liking, so finally *YAY!*
wolfsavard
Jun. 4th, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
I tend to agree with you on the language thing, and I tend to think that by making a big deal out of words like "bitch" we give them more power they deserve. It's unfortunate that our society has so many unisex or feminine derogatory terms, but very few that apply to only men. Personally I think it'd be easier to call men bitches than to stop using the word. ;) Unfortunately I think language is just getting more lax... I've heard the word c-word thrown around lately more than I'd have liked to. So I think it's a pretty good debate... do we downplay the meaning of the words or just try to get rid of them/stop using them?

But it's true, bitch doesn't even have to be a bad thing...! Not taking shit from anyone, standing up for what you believe in? Not a bad thing. I've definitely heard the word used with positive connotations attached to it. Granted it takes those away when one puts a negative adjective in front of it. But, you gotta call them like you see them.

I haven't encouraged or wanted Hillary to step down until last night. I would've stayed in, too. I was/am nervous as hell about what it was doing for the party, but it was really too close to call. And maybe it still is. But delegate counts are delegate counts and that's all it comes down to. So I do think last night was the night to call it quits and I'm sad she didn't make the big gesture.

And ugggh, serious posts. Politics = too srs busns sumtiemz.
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(Anonymous)
Jun. 4th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC)
obama!
if he takes hilary he is TOAST!
veracity
Jun. 4th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
You know I typically just scroll past these posts. We've very opposite in a lot of ways concerning the Democratic party, but I can't on this one. There's something off-putting in post that is talking bad about Hillary and then saying "winning over Clinton supporters."

I don't like Obama. That is no major secret for the most part. But when I discuss him, it's his politics and not personality. I don't agree with his statements in debates, in sound bits, but that nothing to do with him or his wife.

I don't agree with Hillary all the time, but I tend to fall on her side more than Obama's. And frankly, like some other people in this post, the reactions from Obama supporters are causing me to question if he'd be a good president since I keep seeing the same ideas trotted out but with very little proof as to if it would work. If this what I will have to put up with for the next four years, I might just swing my vote to write in or Independent if someone else is running. I can't. I believe in hope, but it needs something in the foundation to grow into action.

Edited at 2008-06-04 09:22 pm (UTC)
wolfsavard
Jun. 5th, 2008 02:29 am (UTC)
I guess I was more thinking about the candidate having to win over the supporters, and not me, but I suppose badmouthing her won't do the trick. I do think Hillary is a great candidate, and what she's accomplished has been remarkable, and I think she'd do a fine job in the White House. I'm just terrified about how torn the party has become, so it really upset me that she seemed to be putting her own interests ahead of the party's last night. But, I know, if we're talking about bringing the party together, I didn't do anything to help that. So, point taken.
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wyldegrey
Jun. 4th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
I try to stay out of politics, because it has a way of making me frustrated with people I love until after the election is over. But I have to agree with some of the above posters -- your rhetoric is really hard to swallow.

Being told that my candidate is a "raving bitch" with no concession to the idea that members of your own party think that she's better for the job, just because she did not concede a very close delegate count immediately, while McCain and Bush supporters get told "no offense" does a lot more to rend the party than anything Clinton is doing. It looks like you're being nicer to the Republicans than to non-Obama Democrats, and that's grating for those of us who disagree with your candidate choice but are otherwise on your side.

My pick bowed out early, and it made me upset, but I looked at the front-runners and chose Clinton. There are a whole lot of tl:dr reasons why, but primarily because Obama rubs me the wrong way. The fact that he has abandoned his first term in a federal office to immediately go for the Presidency really burns my toast, and in addition, the cult of personality surrounding him quite frankly terrifies me. I also feel that he is overwhelmingly inexperienced and naïf.

I just don't like the man. His supporters (and their rhetoric, like yours) are making it an even harder pill to swallow, to the point where I'm going to pull a "can't make me" and choose either a third-party candidate or McCain.
veracity
Jun. 4th, 2008 10:14 pm (UTC)
Want an internet? I have one for you all packaged nicely with silver sparklies and pretty ribbons.
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leahfelicity
Jun. 5th, 2008 01:30 am (UTC)
(high-fives you) I agree TO THE MAX. Hillary really should have bowed out ages ago. The last thing we need is a pattern of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton because the next in line will be those horrible Bush twins again or... Jeb. (wide-eyed horror look)
wolfsavard
Jun. 5th, 2008 02:21 am (UTC)
HAHAHA. Your icon is exactly what my face looked like when I pictured Jeb Bush in the White House.
athena2483
Jun. 5th, 2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
Please excuse the anger in my previous responses to some of your friends' comments. Knowing you and what a good person you are, it just infuriates me that anyone would attack you in your own journal. I have pretty much opposite political views from yours but not once have you ever offended me, nor have we ever even gotten into a fight about politics (as far as I can remember). Down with the haters! I hope they don't take their anger at my irrational-woman-pissy-comment-posts out on you. You were so balanced and kind in your responses to their flaming. And I am sure they are good friends to you most of the time... But people really need to chill out. I'm in a tizzy!
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